1 00:00:04,537 --> 00:00:06,457 THIS IS THE STORY OF THE MAJOR NEWSPAPER SCANDAL 2 00:00:06,481 --> 00:00:08,134 IN HISTORY RECENT FROM UK 3 00:00:08,159 --> 00:00:10,360 SOME NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED, SOME PLACES AND CHARACTERS 4 00:00:10,384 --> 00:00:12,130 THEY HAVE BEEN CREATED WITH DRAMA PURPOSES 5 00:00:12,155 --> 00:00:13,155 As a journalist, 6 00:00:13,537 --> 00:00:16,421 you are constantly consumed for two questions... 7 00:00:17,374 --> 00:00:18,870 how to tell a story, 8 00:00:18,894 --> 00:00:22,872 but, what is perhaps more important. WHY tell a story. 9 00:00:23,374 --> 00:00:25,214 Imagine a country. 10 00:00:25,659 --> 00:00:27,979 With a good climate. Let's be generous, Yes, with good weather. 11 00:00:28,374 --> 00:00:30,214 Good weather to be England, in any case. 12 00:00:31,054 --> 00:00:33,350 Imagine that the people of this country 13 00:00:33,374 --> 00:00:36,350 believes he lives in a democracy, 14 00:00:36,374 --> 00:00:38,374 who believes in his own freedom. 15 00:00:38,849 --> 00:00:40,849 But it is abused 16 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:44,350 for a power so everyday They can't see it. 17 00:00:44,374 --> 00:00:45,828 A treacherous combination 18 00:00:45,852 --> 00:00:48,350 between the press, the police and politicians 19 00:00:48,374 --> 00:00:50,214 that hide in plain sight. 20 00:00:51,374 --> 00:00:54,214 Imagine a country where that conspiracy was... 21 00:00:55,374 --> 00:00:57,350 Imagine a country where... 22 00:00:57,374 --> 00:00:59,350 where the news media... 23 00:00:59,374 --> 00:01:01,030 Shit! 24 00:01:01,054 --> 00:01:02,905 Imagine it all erased. 25 00:01:03,881 --> 00:01:05,100 Foolishness. 26 00:01:08,061 --> 00:01:09,656 My name is Nick Davies. 27 00:01:10,086 --> 00:01:11,350 I am a journalist, 28 00:01:11,374 --> 00:01:12,870 and this is a story 29 00:01:12,894 --> 00:01:15,374 that ends in seven major police investigations 30 00:01:15,697 --> 00:01:17,556 about 40 convictions, 31 00:01:17,581 --> 00:01:20,350 and some of the people most powerful in this country 32 00:01:20,374 --> 00:01:21,710 being brought to her knees. 33 00:01:21,734 --> 00:01:24,740 No. It's too much too much, too much 34 00:01:29,374 --> 00:01:31,710 My name is Nick Davies. 35 00:01:31,734 --> 00:01:33,350 I am a journalist. 36 00:01:33,374 --> 00:01:35,350 Good morning. I'm going to register. 37 00:01:35,374 --> 00:01:37,350 This all started with Stuart Kuttner. 38 00:01:37,374 --> 00:01:38,351 Hello. 39 00:01:38,375 --> 00:01:40,374 No. 40 00:01:46,374 --> 00:01:49,710 This is the most disturbing story that I have written. 41 00:01:49,734 --> 00:01:54,350 A story about the abuse of power and the concealment of the truth. 42 00:01:54,374 --> 00:01:55,295 Hello. 43 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:57,666 Hello. I'm Nick Davies I came to the Today show. 44 00:01:57,803 --> 00:01:58,843 Late late. 45 00:02:06,374 --> 00:02:10,350 British journalism is "careless and morally bankrupt." 46 00:02:10,374 --> 00:02:13,190 This is stated by journalist Nick Davies, 47 00:02:13,214 --> 00:02:14,778 who has written a book which shows how 48 00:02:14,802 --> 00:02:16,939 newspapers often they use illegal methods 49 00:02:16,964 --> 00:02:18,350 to get their stories. 50 00:02:18,374 --> 00:02:22,190 It's called "Flat Earth News," and Nick Davies is with us now. 51 00:02:22,214 --> 00:02:23,350 Good morning. Hello. 52 00:02:23,374 --> 00:02:26,870 It says "careless" because the newspapers use press releases, 53 00:02:26,894 --> 00:02:29,350 instead of investigate your own stories, 54 00:02:29,374 --> 00:02:33,350 and "morally bankrupt" due to the illegality it implies. 55 00:02:33,374 --> 00:02:36,350 Actually, the root that unites all topics 56 00:02:36,374 --> 00:02:38,350 is that the logic of journalism 57 00:02:38,374 --> 00:02:41,350 has been overwhelmed by the logic of the market. 58 00:02:41,374 --> 00:02:44,190 Journalists no longer They have neither the time nor the resources 59 00:02:44,214 --> 00:02:45,350 to do your job well. 60 00:02:45,374 --> 00:02:47,350 Instead, they are just passive processors 61 00:02:47,374 --> 00:02:49,350 of second-hand material without review. 62 00:02:49,374 --> 00:02:52,350 Good, but you too... goes much further in suggesting 63 00:02:52,374 --> 00:02:54,350 that there have been crimes involved... 64 00:02:54,374 --> 00:02:55,351 Yes, of course. 65 00:02:55,375 --> 00:02:58,350 ..and that is generally accepted within the press. 66 00:02:58,374 --> 00:03:01,350 Good. Mainly, this implies hire private investigators. 67 00:03:01,374 --> 00:03:04,350 They hire private investigators to get your bank statements, 68 00:03:04,374 --> 00:03:06,710 your credit card statements, of your telephone bills, 69 00:03:06,734 --> 00:03:08,350 of your taxes, 70 00:03:08,374 --> 00:03:10,350 even they get your medical records. 71 00:03:10,374 --> 00:03:11,584 All of that is illegal. 72 00:03:11,663 --> 00:03:13,350 Good. We are joined by John Mullin, 73 00:03:13,374 --> 00:03:15,350 who is editor of "The Independent On Sunday", 74 00:03:15,374 --> 00:03:17,030 and Stuart Kuttner, 75 00:03:17,054 --> 00:03:19,350 who is editor-in-chief from "News Of The World". 76 00:03:19,374 --> 00:03:22,350 John Mullin, do you agree with this? 77 00:03:22,374 --> 00:03:26,350 Well, plod along. with the first half of the book, 78 00:03:26,374 --> 00:03:28,350 And I haven't read the second one yet. 79 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:30,710 And no one can deny that life in journalism 80 00:03:30,734 --> 00:03:34,350 It is much more difficult today that maybe 20 or 30 years ago. 81 00:03:34,374 --> 00:03:37,350 But to say that the journalism as a whole 82 00:03:37,374 --> 00:03:39,390 is "a passive news producer"? 83 00:03:39,414 --> 00:03:41,350 I think that is wrong. 84 00:03:41,374 --> 00:03:42,351 Stuart Kuttner? 85 00:03:42,375 --> 00:03:44,350 Yes, I'll tell you what I think. 86 00:03:44,374 --> 00:03:48,350 I think, frankly, listening to Nick Davies, 87 00:03:48,374 --> 00:03:51,350 that I was speaking from an editorial from another planet. 88 00:03:51,374 --> 00:03:54,350 It's totally unrecognizable to me. 89 00:03:54,374 --> 00:03:57,350 I have been in newspapers for many years of Fleet Street. 90 00:03:57,374 --> 00:03:59,550 And now I'm at News Of The World. 91 00:03:59,574 --> 00:04:02,374 But what did he say? that was wrong? 92 00:04:03,374 --> 00:04:05,350 Well, talk about, if you want, 93 00:04:05,374 --> 00:04:09,350 of shortcuts, of interests in relationships public, commercial interests. 94 00:04:09,374 --> 00:04:13,350 I can tell you that my journalists at the News Of The World 95 00:04:13,374 --> 00:04:14,870 They are completely unaware of them. 96 00:04:14,894 --> 00:04:17,842 But what about the way those people get the stories 97 00:04:17,867 --> 00:04:20,350 and access to personal information? 98 00:04:20,374 --> 00:04:24,350 Well, if it happens... It shouldn't happen. 99 00:04:24,374 --> 00:04:27,190 It happened once in the News Of The World. 100 00:04:27,214 --> 00:04:28,350 The journalist was fired, 101 00:04:28,374 --> 00:04:31,350 went to jail, the editor resigned. 102 00:04:31,374 --> 00:04:33,607 And while Nick He's talking about all this, 103 00:04:33,717 --> 00:04:35,350 I notice that he doesn't mention 104 00:04:35,374 --> 00:04:38,190 his own criminal act, 105 00:04:38,214 --> 00:04:41,350 when The Guardian falsified the signature of a cabinet minister... 106 00:04:41,374 --> 00:04:43,350 Well, I don't want to go into details of the story. 107 00:04:43,374 --> 00:04:45,350 I think the accusation that Nick Davies... 108 00:04:45,374 --> 00:04:47,350 Sarah, maybe not I want to go into details, 109 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:51,350 but Nick throws a fit widespread to our profession, 110 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:54,374 which I believe is an honorable profession. 111 00:05:01,374 --> 00:05:02,374 Hello, Mr... 112 00:05:09,029 --> 00:05:10,349 Did you hear it? 113 00:05:10,849 --> 00:05:11,889 I wish I hadn't done it. 114 00:05:13,374 --> 00:05:15,350 You are too kind. 115 00:05:15,374 --> 00:05:18,350 I told you to go to the program to attack journalism 116 00:05:18,374 --> 00:05:20,350 It wasn't exactly the most sensible idea. 117 00:05:20,374 --> 00:05:23,350 Listen, before I go home, I would like talk to you about something 118 00:05:23,374 --> 00:05:25,350 The good thing was that you weren't representing The Guardian. 119 00:05:25,374 --> 00:05:27,350 You were talking about your book. 120 00:05:27,374 --> 00:05:29,350 My book. 121 00:05:29,374 --> 00:05:32,414 Although Kuttner made a good attempt... trying to stain us through you. 122 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:33,780 I want to get out. 123 00:05:36,374 --> 00:05:38,550 Do you know anything about baking contests? 124 00:05:38,574 --> 00:05:39,710 No. 125 00:05:39,734 --> 00:05:43,374 I want to know how many people do cheating in baking contests. 126 00:05:43,912 --> 00:05:45,079 A round number. 127 00:05:45,104 --> 00:05:46,663 It's exactly the kind of thing 128 00:05:46,741 --> 00:05:48,350 that the Guardian I should be investigating. 129 00:05:48,374 --> 00:05:49,648 I don't want to get away from everything. 130 00:05:49,672 --> 00:05:50,833 I would like to go to Brussels. 131 00:05:50,871 --> 00:05:53,326 Investigate a horizon completely new, something well paid... 132 00:05:53,374 --> 00:05:55,124 - Naturally. - Allow me to travel. 133 00:05:55,149 --> 00:05:57,950 - The children are already big enough to... - I need you here. 134 00:06:01,374 --> 00:06:03,098 Sadiq Khan. You listen. 135 00:06:03,374 --> 00:06:05,350 Violation of the 40-year agreement. 136 00:06:05,374 --> 00:06:08,038 And why? To please the Americans. 137 00:06:08,116 --> 00:06:09,350 You need a good journalist. 138 00:06:09,374 --> 00:06:10,602 Alan, I'm knackered. 139 00:06:10,626 --> 00:06:12,663 - Nobody likes me. I'm... - Let's go! 140 00:06:12,812 --> 00:06:15,772 I like you...sometimes. 141 00:06:16,374 --> 00:06:18,374 And there must be some more to those who also... 142 00:06:18,438 --> 00:06:19,593 Please. 143 00:06:20,318 --> 00:06:24,177 Self-compassion is not a quality redemptive We'll talk tomorrow. 144 00:06:24,258 --> 00:06:25,428 I am self-employed 145 00:06:25,452 --> 00:06:27,374 so as not to have to talk to you tomorrow. 146 00:06:28,022 --> 00:06:31,350 You are a freelancer with a single employer. 147 00:06:31,374 --> 00:06:34,042 And I tell you that you should talk to me tomorrow. 148 00:06:34,067 --> 00:06:37,249 We have all been humiliated by fucking Stuart Kuttner. 149 00:06:37,584 --> 00:06:38,920 Bye bye. 150 00:06:45,374 --> 00:06:47,600 Let me explain to you. Alan is... 151 00:06:48,374 --> 00:06:51,030 Well, we grew up together. In journalism, of course. 152 00:06:51,054 --> 00:06:53,350 You've always understood... I'm sorry. 153 00:06:53,374 --> 00:06:54,550 Yes. 154 00:06:54,574 --> 00:06:56,870 - Nick Davies? -Who is speaking? 155 00:06:56,894 --> 00:06:59,190 My name is... 156 00:06:59,214 --> 00:07:00,350 It's work, sorry. 157 00:07:00,374 --> 00:07:02,350 We'll call him "Mr. Apollo" because... 158 00:07:02,374 --> 00:07:05,350 Well, actually, because he's... 159 00:07:05,374 --> 00:07:06,870 That... It doesn't matter. 160 00:07:06,894 --> 00:07:08,350 How did you get this number? 161 00:07:08,374 --> 00:07:10,374 Listen, Kuttner made a mistake. 162 00:07:11,063 --> 00:07:12,179 I have committed several, 163 00:07:12,204 --> 00:07:14,727 the main one of them appear on the Today show. 164 00:07:14,891 --> 00:07:16,350 He said it happened once. 165 00:07:16,374 --> 00:07:18,350 It happened once. 166 00:07:18,374 --> 00:07:20,030 It happened once in the News Of The World. 167 00:07:20,054 --> 00:07:22,908 The journalist was fired, went to jail, 168 00:07:22,932 --> 00:07:24,374 and the editor resigned. 169 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:26,772 He's talking about wiretapping. 170 00:07:26,913 --> 00:07:29,374 Nick, your book only scratched the surface. 171 00:07:29,568 --> 00:07:31,304 We have to see each other face to face, 172 00:07:31,329 --> 00:07:33,550 somewhere completely discreet. 173 00:07:33,574 --> 00:07:35,653 I think you will like what I have. 174 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,214 Where and when? 175 00:07:38,349 --> 00:07:40,349 At first, it was almost nothing. 176 00:07:40,374 --> 00:07:43,390 Two men were arrested for tapping phones in 2006. 177 00:07:43,414 --> 00:07:45,710 A private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire... 178 00:07:45,734 --> 00:07:48,193 and the Editor of the Royal Family from The News Of The World, 179 00:07:48,218 --> 00:07:49,577 Clive Goodman. 180 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,350 The sentences they received They were short. 181 00:07:52,374 --> 00:07:55,710 The attention they received was limited. But the crime was unusual. 182 00:07:55,734 --> 00:07:58,350 They had discovered that they could access 183 00:07:58,374 --> 00:08:00,390 to the messages of other people's voices, 184 00:08:00,414 --> 00:08:02,390 and they spent months spying 185 00:08:02,414 --> 00:08:06,350 to three members of the staff of the Prince William at Clarence House. 186 00:08:06,374 --> 00:08:08,390 As? They haven't said it. 187 00:08:08,414 --> 00:08:10,350 Because? 188 00:08:10,374 --> 00:08:12,894 To obtain private information. 189 00:08:15,374 --> 00:08:18,000 It was the beginning of the next six years of my life. 190 00:08:32,374 --> 00:08:36,350 To be clear, I have never told no one who Mr. Apollo is. 191 00:08:36,374 --> 00:08:39,188 So they have been done some guesses. 192 00:08:40,874 --> 00:08:42,274 Wrong guess. 193 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:49,349 No. 194 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:55,070 No. Sorry, it's not you. 195 00:08:57,054 --> 00:08:58,204 Now yes. 196 00:08:59,374 --> 00:09:00,374 Come on! 197 00:09:07,887 --> 00:09:08,887 Hello. 198 00:09:08,912 --> 00:09:10,374 Are you going in or...? 199 00:09:10,803 --> 00:09:11,843 Yes of course. 200 00:09:15,529 --> 00:09:17,374 Wow, how beautiful. 201 00:09:20,374 --> 00:09:22,374 Good choice of room. 202 00:09:23,374 --> 00:09:25,620 Just out of curiosity, Should The Guardian pay for it? 203 00:09:25,645 --> 00:09:28,189 Because if so, I would implore you stay away from that minibar. 204 00:09:28,214 --> 00:09:31,374 Mulcaire, at trial, He said he hacked others... 205 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:32,855 five that did not belong to the royal family 206 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:35,480 - I remember it, yes. -Elle Macpherson... 207 00:09:36,374 --> 00:09:38,374 Sky Andrew, Max Clifford... 208 00:09:39,792 --> 00:09:41,350 He is a liar. 209 00:09:41,374 --> 00:09:45,140 Kuttner is a liar, and one of those five is suing them. 210 00:09:46,894 --> 00:09:48,350 Which? 211 00:09:48,374 --> 00:09:51,374 Well those five They are just the tip of the iceberg. 212 00:09:52,958 --> 00:09:55,184 Hack phones in the News Of The World 213 00:09:55,444 --> 00:09:56,484 has been endemic. 214 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,708 Endemic? 215 00:09:57,733 --> 00:09:58,733 Yeah. 216 00:09:59,574 --> 00:10:02,550 They collect their clues intercepting voice messages, 217 00:10:02,574 --> 00:10:05,350 and only then do they get photographs and estimates, 218 00:10:05,374 --> 00:10:07,350 to leave a false trail, 219 00:10:07,374 --> 00:10:10,350 to pretend they found the story through legitimate means. 220 00:10:10,374 --> 00:10:11,745 Thousands have been hacked. 221 00:10:12,858 --> 00:10:13,858 Have. 222 00:10:14,155 --> 00:10:15,803 Make a call. 223 00:10:15,864 --> 00:10:17,923 To someone who hopefully doesn't answer. 224 00:10:24,819 --> 00:10:26,819 I'm Alan Rusbridger. Please let... 225 00:10:26,928 --> 00:10:29,608 Is that your "call-a-friend"? The editor of The Guardian? 226 00:10:31,002 --> 00:10:32,308 Press nine. 227 00:10:32,556 --> 00:10:34,130 Please enter your 4-digit PIN. 228 00:10:34,346 --> 00:10:37,349 Enter one, two, three, four. That is the factory configuration. 229 00:10:38,374 --> 00:10:40,374 Welcome to your voicemail. 230 00:10:41,069 --> 00:10:43,350 You have a new message. 231 00:10:43,374 --> 00:10:44,870 Alan, it's mom. 232 00:10:44,894 --> 00:10:46,350 I'm calling about Jill Wyatt. 233 00:10:46,374 --> 00:10:49,445 She won for best cupcake again, and I'm sure he cheated. 234 00:10:49,470 --> 00:10:50,681 I don't want to hear this. 235 00:10:50,747 --> 00:10:51,754 Is it that easy? 236 00:10:51,779 --> 00:10:53,872 It's not even needed to a Glenn Mulcaire 237 00:10:53,897 --> 00:10:55,003 most of the time. 238 00:10:55,027 --> 00:10:57,027 And are you saying that this was widespread? 239 00:10:57,052 --> 00:10:59,716 Glenn's main job was to, when it got difficult, 240 00:10:59,741 --> 00:11:01,350 what didn't happen with your Alan, 241 00:11:01,374 --> 00:11:03,350 had to deceive the mobile phone companies 242 00:11:03,374 --> 00:11:05,645 for them to reestablish celebrity PIN 243 00:11:05,670 --> 00:11:07,350 to its original factory settings. 244 00:11:07,374 --> 00:11:09,054 One, two, three, four. 245 00:11:10,413 --> 00:11:11,351 It's Alan. 246 00:11:11,375 --> 00:11:12,710 Please. 247 00:11:12,734 --> 00:11:14,710 - Who is speaking? - Hello, I'm Nick. 248 00:11:14,734 --> 00:11:17,374 Listen, change the setting your phone's PIN. 249 00:11:17,937 --> 00:11:19,350 And how do I do that? 250 00:11:19,374 --> 00:11:21,803 Ask someone younger. I have to go. See you later. 251 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,054 Who is suing? 252 00:11:25,374 --> 00:11:26,828 The person in question, 253 00:11:26,852 --> 00:11:29,030 is trying to get Scotland Yard 254 00:11:29,054 --> 00:11:32,350 deliver the evidence obtained, and which they did not use, 255 00:11:32,374 --> 00:11:33,978 when Mulcaire was arrested. 256 00:11:35,054 --> 00:11:37,350 It is evidence that could... 257 00:11:37,374 --> 00:11:40,710 burn, fuck and destroy everything. Twice. 258 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:44,374 Won't tell me which one of the five it is, right? 259 00:11:46,663 --> 00:11:48,350 I'll tell you... 260 00:11:48,374 --> 00:11:50,349 that two names are missing. 261 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,374 Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes. 262 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,374 Will you say it so that it is published? 263 00:11:57,374 --> 00:11:59,571 If you go deeper, it will come out of you. 264 00:11:59,617 --> 00:12:01,189 I can... 265 00:12:01,214 --> 00:12:03,374 I can confirm facts, but... 266 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,054 It's just another story of journalists acting badly. 267 00:12:10,538 --> 00:12:11,858 Are you not interested? 268 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:15,045 It's interesting, but... You should talk to someone else. 269 00:12:15,341 --> 00:12:17,342 Do you understand that I could lose my job just to talk to you? 270 00:12:17,366 --> 00:12:18,735 Don't worry, This conversation never happened. 271 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:20,888 No, no, no. That's not my point, Nick... 272 00:12:20,999 --> 00:12:22,054 Think. 273 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:23,974 Think about who edited the newspaper. 274 00:12:25,374 --> 00:12:27,374 And think about where you sit now. 275 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:31,374 He's talking about Andy Coulson. 276 00:12:33,374 --> 00:12:34,374 Stop it. 277 00:12:36,374 --> 00:12:37,374 Shit. 278 00:12:49,574 --> 00:12:52,710 Be careful on the platform. Please stay away from the doors. 279 00:12:52,734 --> 00:12:56,350 Andy Coulson, a fast-rising journalist. 280 00:12:56,374 --> 00:12:58,878 From local reporter to section of Entertainment in The Sun, 281 00:12:58,963 --> 00:13:01,920 was appointed director from News Of The World in 2003. 282 00:13:01,974 --> 00:13:04,350 Even after resigning in 2007 283 00:13:04,374 --> 00:13:07,350 due to the original hacking case telephone, was considered honorable, 284 00:13:07,374 --> 00:13:10,054 for him to take the blame by the unscrupulous reporter. 285 00:13:10,342 --> 00:13:11,662 "I didn't do it, boss." 286 00:13:13,374 --> 00:13:14,866 But if it was... if it is him... 287 00:13:15,414 --> 00:13:17,350 If this is endemic, 288 00:13:17,374 --> 00:13:20,350 he is director of communications by David Cameron. 289 00:13:20,374 --> 00:13:23,574 Let him be part of widespread crime. 290 00:13:26,998 --> 00:13:28,998 No, bad idea. 291 00:13:29,564 --> 00:13:30,948 HIRE MOBILE PHONE FROM 8 POUNDS PER MONTH 292 00:13:30,972 --> 00:13:32,932 HIRE THE BEST INSURANCE FOR YOUR CAR CALL US TODAY 293 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:42,030 I wasn't late. 294 00:13:42,163 --> 00:13:44,349 There would be no problem If you arrive a little late, 295 00:13:44,374 --> 00:13:45,351 don't worry so much. 296 00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:47,569 - Are you ready? - Have they ever been? 297 00:13:47,647 --> 00:13:48,756 Children? 298 00:13:49,374 --> 00:13:50,351 Are you OK? 299 00:13:50,375 --> 00:13:52,374 - Children! - Let's go! 300 00:13:52,614 --> 00:13:54,350 You're eager to go, then. 301 00:13:54,374 --> 00:13:56,350 Sorry. How are you, etc.? 302 00:13:56,374 --> 00:13:58,350 I'm fine, etc. Are you OK? 303 00:13:58,374 --> 00:13:59,374 Never better. 304 00:13:59,631 --> 00:14:01,631 Really? I heard you on the radio. 305 00:14:02,142 --> 00:14:04,350 Do those types of presentations Help with sales? 306 00:14:04,374 --> 00:14:05,374 I doubt it. 307 00:14:07,781 --> 00:14:08,869 I... 308 00:14:08,894 --> 00:14:11,350 I'm worried about... 309 00:14:11,374 --> 00:14:13,350 I will not reveal my son's name. 310 00:14:13,374 --> 00:14:16,350 Let's call it... Beans. 311 00:14:16,374 --> 00:14:19,000 He comes home and He locks himself in his room. 312 00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:21,350 I've tried to talk to him, but... 313 00:14:21,374 --> 00:14:22,414 Avoid all questions. 314 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:25,030 So, let's go to school? 315 00:14:27,721 --> 00:14:30,487 Let's know the details, Let's make sure you want the help. 316 00:14:30,593 --> 00:14:33,273 You sound like a journalist. 317 00:14:33,374 --> 00:14:34,960 Let me try it. 318 00:14:37,798 --> 00:14:39,055 Let me try it. 319 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,280 OK. 320 00:14:56,361 --> 00:14:57,361 I have a new recipe. 321 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,412 - Okay, dad. - The one with the stuffed tomato. 322 00:15:00,443 --> 00:15:01,259 Sounds good. 323 00:15:01,284 --> 00:15:03,284 I'll let you know when it's ready. She is Turkish. 324 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,096 - Yes. - So... 325 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Today I met someone. 326 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,096 A fountain. 327 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,924 He got angry with what Kuttner said on the radio. 328 00:15:12,182 --> 00:15:13,159 Okay. 329 00:15:13,183 --> 00:15:16,158 He said hacking was "endemic," in the News Of The World. 330 00:15:16,182 --> 00:15:18,408 And someone is now taking legal actions against Scotland Yard 331 00:15:18,432 --> 00:15:20,471 to obtain information of what was hacked. 332 00:15:20,619 --> 00:15:21,451 And now, I know... 333 00:15:21,475 --> 00:15:24,158 who is someone between... Elle Macpherson, 334 00:15:24,182 --> 00:15:27,158 Simon Hughes, Gordon Taylor, Sky Andrew or Max Clifford. 335 00:15:27,182 --> 00:15:28,681 But I don't know which one. 336 00:15:29,219 --> 00:15:30,432 What do you think? 337 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,182 Do you want me to go deeper? 338 00:15:32,207 --> 00:15:35,207 Find out who he is? If I find out, I might... 339 00:15:35,338 --> 00:15:36,845 we could get some evidence 340 00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:39,312 that proves that dirty play It was a little more spread out. 341 00:15:39,337 --> 00:15:41,680 Imagine what he would do to Andy Coulson. 342 00:15:41,705 --> 00:15:44,397 Where could I have the keys? from 10 Downing Street. 343 00:15:44,422 --> 00:15:46,071 Cameron made him a suitability test? 344 00:15:46,173 --> 00:15:48,658 Did he even investigate the past of Coulson? 345 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:50,157 It's a good angle. 346 00:15:50,181 --> 00:15:53,796 But... Would it be another story of "The tabloid press is behaving badly"? 347 00:15:53,905 --> 00:15:55,182 I thought the same. 348 00:15:55,652 --> 00:15:58,421 And who would want to kick a bees nest? 349 00:15:58,627 --> 00:16:00,147 Murdoch, you know? 350 00:16:00,702 --> 00:16:02,496 This source... 351 00:16:03,050 --> 00:16:05,158 Is he manipulating you? 352 00:16:05,182 --> 00:16:08,702 No. I just wanted talk about it with someone. With you. 353 00:16:11,182 --> 00:16:14,158 Always grateful to be your sounding board. 354 00:16:14,182 --> 00:16:15,687 Go home, Alan. 355 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,464 Who says I'm in the office? 356 00:16:18,581 --> 00:16:20,581 We will always have Brussels. Bye bye. 357 00:16:34,022 --> 00:16:35,599 It's creepy when you do that. 358 00:16:35,678 --> 00:16:37,182 Look at me like this. 359 00:16:37,713 --> 00:16:38,881 How are you? 360 00:16:39,182 --> 00:16:40,847 Why do you ask? 361 00:16:41,477 --> 00:16:43,562 If there is something you need to discuss... 362 00:16:43,688 --> 00:16:45,688 Yes, dad. Yes I know. 363 00:17:07,182 --> 00:17:10,182 I... never really liked school. 364 00:17:10,461 --> 00:17:11,678 They don't harass me. 365 00:17:11,703 --> 00:17:13,158 I always saw the school as an obligation... 366 00:17:13,182 --> 00:17:15,510 Why does everyone think whenever they harass me? 367 00:17:15,564 --> 00:17:17,564 Not a virtue. There was a guy... 368 00:17:18,182 --> 00:17:20,889 ..who-who used to hit us. 369 00:17:23,018 --> 00:17:24,378 Another boy? 370 00:17:24,699 --> 00:17:26,339 Actually, a teacher. 371 00:17:27,182 --> 00:17:28,182 I used to... 372 00:17:28,653 --> 00:17:30,159 God, it used to really scare me. 373 00:17:30,183 --> 00:17:32,183 I was never good at it. 374 00:17:34,557 --> 00:17:36,672 Well, I never handled fear well, 375 00:17:36,697 --> 00:17:38,897 but also, what which I remember more clearly... 376 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:41,050 It's rage. 377 00:17:45,183 --> 00:17:46,543 I heard you on the radio. 378 00:17:48,183 --> 00:17:50,023 Did you listen to the Today show? 379 00:17:51,183 --> 00:17:53,975 Mom makes us listen or read everything you do. 380 00:17:54,833 --> 00:17:56,386 "They have an awesome father." 381 00:17:56,411 --> 00:17:58,159 And he says it like, 382 00:17:58,183 --> 00:18:01,376 "I may be a complete idiot, But it's impressive." 383 00:18:01,885 --> 00:18:03,885 OK. 384 00:18:06,534 --> 00:18:08,754 Do you know the story of the dung beetle? 385 00:18:09,694 --> 00:18:10,894 God. Seriously, again? 386 00:18:10,919 --> 00:18:12,159 If you want to fly free... 387 00:18:12,183 --> 00:18:14,024 First you have to eat a lot of shit. 388 00:18:14,049 --> 00:18:15,771 Sometimes you have to ignore bullies. 389 00:18:15,825 --> 00:18:17,159 - I'm not being bullied. - Sometimes you... 390 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,001 you have to face it. 391 00:18:19,026 --> 00:18:20,199 - No, dad. - There is always a way to... 392 00:18:20,223 --> 00:18:23,123 There is always a chance when the bullies... 393 00:18:23,148 --> 00:18:24,858 when they suddenly seem vulnerable. 394 00:18:24,918 --> 00:18:26,043 When they are... 395 00:18:27,403 --> 00:18:30,183 you have to corner him as much as possible. 396 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:32,052 And not let go. 397 00:18:39,822 --> 00:18:43,314 The tomatoes will be ready in ten minutes. They are Turkish. 398 00:18:43,878 --> 00:18:45,838 I love you very much. 399 00:18:54,846 --> 00:18:56,206 Stupid boy! 400 00:18:57,873 --> 00:19:00,393 You are a disappointment! 401 00:19:01,347 --> 00:19:03,522 THE BODY AND ITS NEW FRIEND 402 00:19:03,546 --> 00:19:05,847 CHELSY FURIOUS ABOUT LEAVING FROM HARRY TO STRIP CLUB. 403 00:19:06,545 --> 00:19:08,524 You shouldn't be surprised to know 404 00:19:08,574 --> 00:19:10,594 that we don't get the rights to use that header. 405 00:19:10,618 --> 00:19:12,159 THE SEX DIARIES FROM THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER 406 00:19:12,183 --> 00:19:13,015 Not even this one. 407 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,240 OVERPAYMENTS OF UK FAMILIES 408 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,182 Hi, I'm Nick Davies. 409 00:19:27,655 --> 00:19:30,183 Do you still have that contact at Scotland Yard? 410 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:31,580 No, sorry, friend. 411 00:19:31,744 --> 00:19:33,679 I really can't get involved in that. 412 00:19:33,703 --> 00:19:34,839 You know how it is. 413 00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:37,159 But Andy Coulson soon will be sitting in Downing Street. 414 00:19:37,183 --> 00:19:40,183 Yes, and Murdoch is already sitting in Downing Street. 415 00:19:40,954 --> 00:19:41,722 Yes, I... 416 00:19:41,753 --> 00:19:43,629 Yes, I appreciate it. Understand. 417 00:19:43,847 --> 00:19:45,159 If I could get some proof... 418 00:19:45,183 --> 00:19:46,204 - No. - No. 419 00:19:46,836 --> 00:19:47,868 No. 420 00:19:47,892 --> 00:19:49,183 It's okay. Thank you. Bye bye. 421 00:19:54,183 --> 00:19:56,159 Hello. Thanks for calling me back. 422 00:19:56,183 --> 00:19:58,183 Do you have the number? A name from the list. 423 00:19:58,932 --> 00:20:00,932 See you later. Yes. 424 00:20:01,885 --> 00:20:03,885 Good, great. Zero... 425 00:20:04,183 --> 00:20:08,159 seven, seven, zero, zero, nine, 426 00:20:08,183 --> 00:20:11,802 zero, zero, nine, five, four. 427 00:20:12,183 --> 00:20:14,159 I have it. Thank you. 428 00:20:14,183 --> 00:20:16,159 Hello. I wonder if I could talk to 429 00:20:16,183 --> 00:20:18,766 whoever represents to Elle Macpherson. 430 00:20:21,183 --> 00:20:22,160 No, no, I'm not a fan. 431 00:20:22,184 --> 00:20:24,180 No, I wonder if she currently 432 00:20:24,205 --> 00:20:26,717 is suing News Of The World newspaper. 433 00:20:26,742 --> 00:20:28,159 Is it Max? 434 00:20:28,183 --> 00:20:30,159 Hi, I'm Nick Davies. 435 00:20:30,183 --> 00:20:32,183 We met at the Orwell Prize. 436 00:20:32,827 --> 00:20:35,524 I'm actually looking for a little information. 437 00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:38,549 Well, no. Just give me the chance... 438 00:20:59,183 --> 00:21:01,159 Detective Buzz Aldrin? 439 00:21:01,183 --> 00:21:02,184 It's not his real name. 440 00:21:02,208 --> 00:21:04,520 My name is Nick Davies. I am a journalist for The Guardian. 441 00:21:04,581 --> 00:21:06,159 I think you investigated the case of Clive Goodman. 442 00:21:06,183 --> 00:21:07,679 I'm very busy, Mr. Davies. 443 00:21:07,703 --> 00:21:10,110 I've followed your work, Buzz. I know he is a man of principles. 444 00:21:10,134 --> 00:21:12,680 I think you know that what is happening here 445 00:21:12,842 --> 00:21:14,151 It is of great public interest, 446 00:21:14,183 --> 00:21:17,159 and if everything is settled in deals extra-judicial, will not help anyone. 447 00:21:17,183 --> 00:21:19,159 - I can't talk to journalists. - You don't have to talk. 448 00:21:19,183 --> 00:21:22,456 I just need to know which one of these five names, which are not royalty 449 00:21:22,635 --> 00:21:24,628 in the Clive Goodman case He has sued the newspaper. 450 00:21:24,652 --> 00:21:25,486 Cough. 451 00:21:25,511 --> 00:21:27,288 Cough when I tell you the correct name. 452 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:28,391 You are very insistent. 453 00:21:28,416 --> 00:21:30,268 Because what I understand is that 454 00:21:30,292 --> 00:21:31,854 Those five names represent thousands, 455 00:21:32,009 --> 00:21:33,209 thousands of people 456 00:21:33,234 --> 00:21:37,034 who have seen their privacy stolen for this newspaper. Please. 457 00:21:38,072 --> 00:21:39,112 Elle Macpherson. 458 00:21:39,456 --> 00:21:41,416 Simon Hughes. 459 00:21:42,042 --> 00:21:43,682 Gordon Taylor. 460 00:21:44,487 --> 00:21:45,687 Thank you, sir. 461 00:21:47,439 --> 00:21:49,166 He has done the right thing. 462 00:22:05,183 --> 00:22:07,159 Sorry, excuse me. Charlotte Harris? 463 00:22:07,183 --> 00:22:08,160 Nick Davies of The Guardian. 464 00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:10,159 I understand that you represent Gordon Taylor. 465 00:22:10,183 --> 00:22:11,160 Do I have to go to court. 466 00:22:11,184 --> 00:22:13,508 I understand that he is suing to News Of The World 467 00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:14,549 for violation of privacy. 468 00:22:14,573 --> 00:22:16,184 Mr. Davies, whether true or not, Mr. Taylor is my client, 469 00:22:16,208 --> 00:22:18,689 and I have no interest in speaking to the press. I'm sorry. 470 00:22:18,735 --> 00:22:21,183 These so-called journalists... 471 00:22:21,712 --> 00:22:23,712 They discredit our entire industry. 472 00:22:23,737 --> 00:22:25,212 You are very insistent. 473 00:22:25,703 --> 00:22:27,159 Well, you can... 474 00:22:27,183 --> 00:22:30,183 Can you talk to me then? about John Hewison? 475 00:22:30,503 --> 00:22:32,183 You're also suing, right? 476 00:22:32,728 --> 00:22:34,907 And the interesting thing is that if you ask the public 477 00:22:34,932 --> 00:22:37,110 who are the two of them, could they know 478 00:22:37,135 --> 00:22:39,649 Taylor, but not Hewison because he is a lawyer. 479 00:22:39,674 --> 00:22:40,999 Like you 480 00:22:41,023 --> 00:22:43,159 They have been entrusted to him the secrets of others, 481 00:22:43,183 --> 00:22:45,725 the secrets of the sports stars, if any, 482 00:22:45,756 --> 00:22:48,839 what makes him interesting for the News Of The World. 483 00:22:48,863 --> 00:22:50,679 It is a newspaper operation, 484 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:53,159 that attempts to undermine confidentiality 485 00:22:53,183 --> 00:22:56,159 what is the base fundamental of his profession. 486 00:22:56,183 --> 00:22:58,159 If you want to fight them... 487 00:22:58,183 --> 00:23:00,999 well, you are a tiger but they are lions. 488 00:23:01,023 --> 00:23:02,665 The Guardian is also a lion. 489 00:23:03,183 --> 00:23:06,159 Well, what if I'm not neither a lion nor a tiger? 490 00:23:06,183 --> 00:23:08,801 What if... I'm a walrus? 491 00:23:09,183 --> 00:23:12,159 Walruses can be ferocious. 492 00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:13,183 And you are a... 493 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,299 I try to think of an annoying animal. 494 00:23:15,324 --> 00:23:17,396 Has it been fixed extrajudicially about Mr. Taylor? 495 00:23:17,420 --> 00:23:19,780 What evidence do you have? Are there other plaintiffs? 496 00:23:19,805 --> 00:23:22,728 Surely it must be looking to attract more clients. 497 00:23:22,753 --> 00:23:24,519 Cases like this can sometimes... 498 00:23:24,543 --> 00:23:27,159 How much did Max Mosley get? 499 00:23:27,183 --> 00:23:28,808 60,000 pounds plus expenses. 500 00:23:28,833 --> 00:23:31,127 Gather enough to a class action lawsuit 501 00:23:31,152 --> 00:23:32,605 and they will get a lot of money. 502 00:23:32,705 --> 00:23:34,839 I was doing well, reasonably well, 503 00:23:34,863 --> 00:23:37,159 until he mentioned money. 504 00:23:37,183 --> 00:23:39,159 I can't talk to him on specific cases, 505 00:23:39,183 --> 00:23:41,183 but I can tell you... 506 00:23:42,183 --> 00:23:45,183 I can tell you that there is much more to come. 507 00:24:03,183 --> 00:24:04,160 Yes. 508 00:24:04,184 --> 00:24:05,839 He got the name. 509 00:24:05,863 --> 00:24:08,183 Mr. Apollo, you're back. 510 00:24:08,768 --> 00:24:10,159 Are you watching me? 511 00:24:10,183 --> 00:24:12,961 I take it you're still interested in this case then? 512 00:24:18,174 --> 00:24:20,582 The deer is in the chimney. The lion is on fire. 513 00:24:20,739 --> 00:24:22,683 What the hell is he doing? 514 00:24:23,183 --> 00:24:25,159 I'm sorry, I... I have a tendency to make jokes. 515 00:24:25,183 --> 00:24:27,697 I was trying... trying to be a russian spy. 516 00:24:29,054 --> 00:24:31,159 They could discover us at any moment. Do you know the risks? 517 00:24:31,183 --> 00:24:32,183 I know. I'm sorry. 518 00:24:34,183 --> 00:24:36,183 So he found the lawyer. 519 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,159 Is this some kind of test? 520 00:24:38,183 --> 00:24:39,543 Will they give me a prize at the end? 521 00:24:39,937 --> 00:24:41,633 Do you know how much is at stake? 522 00:24:41,658 --> 00:24:42,658 No. 523 00:24:43,183 --> 00:24:48,159 £400,000 in damages, another £300,000 in legal fees, 524 00:24:48,183 --> 00:24:51,159 and its partners will receive 140,000 pounds for damages, 525 00:24:51,183 --> 00:24:53,023 more about the lawyers. 526 00:24:53,048 --> 00:24:56,208 The complete package exceeds one million pounds. 527 00:24:56,393 --> 00:24:57,818 That's a lot to digest. 528 00:24:57,843 --> 00:25:00,203 Even for the stomach from News International. 529 00:25:00,228 --> 00:25:01,868 But... 530 00:25:02,158 --> 00:25:03,158 Max Mosley was... 531 00:25:03,183 --> 00:25:06,527 who was accused of being a Nazi in an orgy. 532 00:25:06,552 --> 00:25:09,428 All he got were some 60,000 pounds, yes. 533 00:25:09,764 --> 00:25:11,166 Now he understands it. 534 00:25:13,023 --> 00:25:14,159 Look, I need... 535 00:25:14,183 --> 00:25:16,679 I need documents, or an audio recording, 536 00:25:16,703 --> 00:25:18,159 some kind of compelling evidence. 537 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,519 I don't even have to post it. 538 00:25:19,543 --> 00:25:21,999 I just need power show it in the Guardian. 539 00:25:22,023 --> 00:25:24,705 The preliminary hearings in 2007, They are in the public domain. 540 00:25:24,901 --> 00:25:26,421 That's not enough. 541 00:25:27,851 --> 00:25:28,851 Mhh! 542 00:25:30,991 --> 00:25:32,249 Good. 543 00:25:36,183 --> 00:25:38,183 - What is it about? - He'll figure it out. 544 00:25:38,383 --> 00:25:39,682 - Can I use it? - No. 545 00:25:39,742 --> 00:25:41,072 I need to be able to use it. 546 00:25:41,183 --> 00:25:43,159 Summarize it, yes. 547 00:25:43,183 --> 00:25:44,719 Show it to your editor, yes. 548 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:46,543 Quote it, no. 549 00:25:47,433 --> 00:25:49,073 Can you give me your number? 550 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:51,698 Be careful, Nick. 551 00:25:52,863 --> 00:25:54,183 This could get ugly. 552 00:26:10,478 --> 00:26:13,199 Take a look at this article on the expenses of parliamentarians. 553 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:15,159 - OK. - Do you want gingerbread? 554 00:26:15,183 --> 00:26:17,159 My mother did it. It's not very good. 555 00:26:17,183 --> 00:26:18,543 I have the evidence. 556 00:26:19,183 --> 00:26:21,683 How long did it take you to get it? - Maybe two months. 557 00:26:21,756 --> 00:26:23,722 And you've never mentioned it? 558 00:26:24,927 --> 00:26:26,939 They are spending millions to cover this up. 559 00:26:26,964 --> 00:26:28,444 This is enough for a report. 560 00:26:29,183 --> 00:26:31,999 Nick, it's newspapers reporting on newspapers... 561 00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:35,159 But the editor of that newspaper He is about to enter the government. 562 00:26:35,183 --> 00:26:39,159 If Andy Coulson, as editor, was complicit in phone hacking, 563 00:26:39,183 --> 00:26:41,654 imagine what it could do to the enemies of the Government. 564 00:26:43,183 --> 00:26:44,519 Show me what you have. 565 00:26:44,543 --> 00:26:46,183 Well then... 566 00:26:47,183 --> 00:26:49,183 Printing an email. 567 00:26:49,963 --> 00:26:54,120 From ross.hindley@news-of-the-world at shadowmen@yahoo.co.uk. 568 00:26:54,145 --> 00:26:56,996 - It's Glenn Mulcaire's email. - Was your email "shadowmen"? 569 00:26:57,504 --> 00:26:59,183 It says, "Transcript for Neville." 570 00:26:59,777 --> 00:27:01,777 "Wednesday, June 29, 2005." 571 00:27:01,816 --> 00:27:03,152 I know how to read. 572 00:27:03,535 --> 00:27:04,839 And Neville is...? 573 00:27:04,863 --> 00:27:07,159 Neville Thurlbeck. News Of The World Chief Reporter. 574 00:27:07,183 --> 00:27:11,159 There are transcripts 35 voice messages 575 00:27:11,183 --> 00:27:14,159 that had been left on the phones by Gordon Taylor and a colleague. 576 00:27:14,183 --> 00:27:16,239 It wasn't just Clive Goodman. 577 00:27:16,737 --> 00:27:18,479 And then there's this one. 578 00:27:19,183 --> 00:27:20,854 Greg Miskiw, Deputy Editor, 579 00:27:21,244 --> 00:27:24,159 a payment is authorized 7,000 pounds to Mulcaire 580 00:27:24,183 --> 00:27:26,679 for a report on Gordon Taylor. 581 00:27:26,703 --> 00:27:29,183 And the police have access to all this and more. 582 00:27:29,939 --> 00:27:32,804 - Can we use them? - No. 583 00:27:33,023 --> 00:27:35,819 Can we have a statement of your Mr. Apollo to publish it? 584 00:27:37,554 --> 00:27:40,159 - How long have we known each other? - I have no idea. 585 00:27:40,183 --> 00:27:42,159 And I have no interest in calculating it either. 586 00:27:42,183 --> 00:27:44,183 - It will make me feel old. - Almost 30 years. 587 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,183 It's time, Alan. 588 00:27:46,518 --> 00:27:48,518 There is an industry that makes huge profits 589 00:27:48,543 --> 00:27:49,926 by invading people's private lives, 590 00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:51,951 and the tabloid newspapers by Rupert Murdoch 591 00:27:51,976 --> 00:27:54,314 they have explicitly encouraged it and people buy them. 592 00:27:59,613 --> 00:28:01,613 This matters. 593 00:28:06,613 --> 00:28:08,156 Put on your helmet. 594 00:28:10,034 --> 00:28:11,665 Good. Alright. 595 00:28:14,613 --> 00:28:17,613 I'll let you know when I have something. 596 00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:19,315 Thanks, Alan. 597 00:28:20,653 --> 00:28:23,109 You can believe that your life is private, 598 00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:24,949 but The Guardian has proof 599 00:28:24,973 --> 00:28:26,605 which suggest the opposite. 600 00:28:26,754 --> 00:28:31,589 This strange story began in 2006 with the arrest of two men. 601 00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:33,629 The editor of The News Of The World Royal, Clive Goodman, 602 00:28:33,653 --> 00:28:36,629 and private investigator Glenn Mulcaire. GREAT NEWS, EXTRAORDINARY NEWS 603 00:28:36,653 --> 00:28:39,589 The men pleaded guilty of phone hacking charges 604 00:28:39,613 --> 00:28:40,789 and served prison sentences. 605 00:28:40,813 --> 00:28:44,269 After investigation, the newspaper told the world 606 00:28:44,293 --> 00:28:46,906 that the hacking was the work of "an unscrupulous reporter." 607 00:28:47,109 --> 00:28:49,589 The story should have ended there. 608 00:28:49,613 --> 00:28:50,613 But it wasn't like that. 609 00:29:04,613 --> 00:29:06,589 "From the beginning," 610 00:29:06,613 --> 00:29:08,828 newspapers have prospered for a reason 611 00:29:08,984 --> 00:29:11,589 "give readers the news they want." 612 00:29:11,613 --> 00:29:13,589 Shit. 613 00:29:13,613 --> 00:29:18,453 Shit! shit, shit, shit, shit, Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit! 614 00:29:21,613 --> 00:29:22,789 Keep it simple. 615 00:29:22,813 --> 00:29:25,109 Rupert Murdoch News Group Newspapers 616 00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:27,429 had paid more than 1 million pounds 617 00:29:27,453 --> 00:29:29,629 to resolve legal cases who threatened to reveal evidence 618 00:29:29,653 --> 00:29:31,589 of repeated participation of its journalists 619 00:29:31,613 --> 00:29:34,589 in the use of criminal methods to get stories. 620 00:29:34,613 --> 00:29:37,589 Payments ensured secrecy on extrajudicial agreements 621 00:29:37,613 --> 00:29:40,589 in three cases who threatened to expose evidence 622 00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:43,589 from Murdoch journalists using private investigators 623 00:29:43,613 --> 00:29:46,789 to illegally intercept phone messages 624 00:29:46,813 --> 00:29:48,589 of numerous public figures. 625 00:29:48,613 --> 00:29:51,589 Ministers of Parliament, parliamentarians, actors and sports stars 626 00:29:51,613 --> 00:29:53,589 they were all objectives of private investigators. 627 00:29:53,613 --> 00:29:55,589 Are you sure we can mention all those groups? 628 00:29:55,613 --> 00:29:58,589 We already have tests for actors, Elle Macpherson, 629 00:29:58,613 --> 00:30:00,589 - sports stars, Sky Andrew... - Parliamentarians, too? 630 00:30:00,613 --> 00:30:02,589 I have a bill, 631 00:30:02,613 --> 00:30:04,222 from a payment to a private investigator 632 00:30:04,247 --> 00:30:06,104 which shows that John Prescott was the goal 633 00:30:06,129 --> 00:30:06,950 of a probable hacking. 634 00:30:06,974 --> 00:30:09,589 This article does not cite the sources, nor does he have documentary evidence. 635 00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:11,779 Alan thinks we have enough. And me too... 636 00:30:11,804 --> 00:30:13,589 And we have no right to reply. 637 00:30:13,613 --> 00:30:15,429 It is a declaration of war that would be bloody. 638 00:30:15,453 --> 00:30:16,949 Murdoch and Brooks, They have nuclear weapons. 639 00:30:16,973 --> 00:30:18,237 Right now, yes. 640 00:30:18,262 --> 00:30:20,589 But we can neutralize their nuclear weapons with this. 641 00:30:20,613 --> 00:30:22,589 If we do, Fleet Street will support us, 642 00:30:22,613 --> 00:30:24,589 and the police next. And they have... 643 00:30:24,613 --> 00:30:26,589 Well, when they find the information that they already have. 644 00:30:26,613 --> 00:30:28,863 - Have they lost information? - It's information they don't know they have. 645 00:30:28,887 --> 00:30:30,409 We are talking about the Metropolitan Police. 646 00:30:30,653 --> 00:30:33,613 Look, once we publish, They will be forced to act. 647 00:30:33,638 --> 00:30:35,638 Can we mention Coulson? 648 00:30:35,964 --> 00:30:38,049 Now you are worried that haven't gone far enough. 649 00:30:38,074 --> 00:30:41,027 No, that would increase interest public if we can name it. 650 00:30:41,052 --> 00:30:43,892 I called Conservative Headquarters... right of reply, Gill. 651 00:30:43,917 --> 00:30:45,589 I asked about the Gordon Taylor agreement. 652 00:30:45,613 --> 00:30:47,589 His office responded that "didn't sound familiar at all." 653 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,993 we have nothing that links it directly. 654 00:30:50,089 --> 00:30:51,089 I agree. 655 00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:52,251 But... 656 00:30:52,611 --> 00:30:54,613 we can say... 657 00:30:54,854 --> 00:30:56,174 that he was the editor in charge 658 00:30:56,252 --> 00:30:59,361 of the journalists who..., etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... 659 00:30:59,402 --> 00:31:00,876 That's ok. 660 00:31:01,613 --> 00:31:02,653 Alright. 661 00:31:06,237 --> 00:31:07,237 Yeah? 662 00:31:08,613 --> 00:31:10,856 I am uneasy. But if you're sure... 663 00:31:14,453 --> 00:31:15,613 I am. 664 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:29,440 Forward. 665 00:31:29,816 --> 00:31:31,886 PUBLISH 666 00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:22,133 It was well written. 667 00:31:35,034 --> 00:31:37,080 THE MURDOCH NEWSPAPERS THEY PAID 1 MILLION POUNDS... 668 00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:40,589 At five thirty in the afternoon of Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 669 00:31:40,613 --> 00:31:42,987 we publish my news on the Guardian website. 670 00:31:43,104 --> 00:31:44,947 While it was published, The Guardian editorial staff 671 00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:46,589 he asked a reporter, Caroline Davies, 672 00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:48,949 to call John Prescott, former Deputy Prime Minister, 673 00:31:48,973 --> 00:31:50,293 to obtain a statement. 674 00:31:50,932 --> 00:31:54,252 I told him the gist of the story, and he said, "Damn it!" 675 00:31:54,619 --> 00:31:56,079 One would think that the police, 676 00:31:56,104 --> 00:31:57,650 when a crime is committed, 677 00:31:57,675 --> 00:31:59,589 as, clearly, is the case, against any citizen, 678 00:31:59,613 --> 00:32:01,789 and in particular, a member of the Cabinet, 679 00:32:01,813 --> 00:32:03,589 he would have informed me. 680 00:32:03,613 --> 00:32:05,994 And I would have asked them, "What are they going to do about it?" 681 00:32:06,019 --> 00:32:08,019 Prescott roared. 682 00:32:08,207 --> 00:32:10,207 But the House of Commons remained silent. 683 00:32:11,613 --> 00:32:12,613 Someone? 684 00:32:15,613 --> 00:32:16,613 Someone? 685 00:32:20,613 --> 00:32:23,613 And Fleet Street, well... 686 00:32:26,293 --> 00:32:30,589 Fleet Street essentially made everything possible to ignore history. 687 00:32:30,613 --> 00:32:33,331 Ask any journalist What a great story depends on. 688 00:32:33,479 --> 00:32:35,135 They will tell you the same thing. 689 00:32:35,973 --> 00:32:37,206 A new angle. 690 00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:39,269 One that at least journalists can support. 691 00:32:39,294 --> 00:32:41,294 We depend on our profession 692 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,073 to keep track of stories so that they have impact. 693 00:32:44,098 --> 00:32:46,070 So that a news have journalistic interest 694 00:32:46,095 --> 00:32:47,785 requires many means let them communicate it. 695 00:32:47,809 --> 00:32:49,009 But with this... 696 00:32:49,034 --> 00:32:50,834 Cri-cri! 697 00:32:51,588 --> 00:32:53,589 My company did not resolve extrajudicial legal action 698 00:32:53,613 --> 00:32:54,590 as The Guardian states. 699 00:32:54,614 --> 00:32:56,589 If they had, I would have known. 700 00:32:56,613 --> 00:32:58,949 I tried to spread this as much as I could. 701 00:32:58,973 --> 00:33:01,429 I spoke on radio stations, television programs. 702 00:33:01,453 --> 00:33:03,844 I received calls at all hours representatives of public figures 703 00:33:03,868 --> 00:33:05,174 asking, "Am I on that list?" 704 00:33:05,198 --> 00:33:06,367 He slept about four hours. 705 00:33:06,613 --> 00:33:09,109 And then, at five in the afternoon, 706 00:33:09,133 --> 00:33:11,589 I was surprised to hear that John Yates, 707 00:33:11,613 --> 00:33:13,629 Deputy Commissioner of Scotland Yard, 708 00:33:13,653 --> 00:33:16,109 He was preparing to make a statement. 709 00:33:16,133 --> 00:33:17,589 Good afternoon. 710 00:33:17,613 --> 00:33:19,824 I did not participate in the initial investigation 711 00:33:19,863 --> 00:33:23,073 what allows me speak independently. 712 00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:24,589 In my opinion, what I have seen 713 00:33:24,613 --> 00:33:28,653 It is a very careful investigation. made by very experienced detectives. 714 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:32,120 He proceeded to demolish kindness our work. 715 00:33:32,385 --> 00:33:34,589 We had suggested that there were thousands of victims. 716 00:33:34,613 --> 00:33:37,791 Among potential targets There could have been hundreds of people. 717 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:41,172 But our research showed that they only used the tactic 718 00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:43,735 against a small number of individuals. 719 00:33:43,876 --> 00:33:46,589 And since there is no more evidence that have come to light, 720 00:33:46,613 --> 00:33:49,109 I don't see any reason to reopen the investigation. 721 00:33:49,133 --> 00:33:51,238 Thank you all. That's all for today. 722 00:33:51,339 --> 00:33:53,940 Does that mean Did The Guardian fabricate the story? 723 00:33:57,027 --> 00:33:59,589 Among potential targets There could have been hundreds of people... 724 00:33:59,613 --> 00:34:02,589 But our research showed that they only used the tactic 725 00:34:02,613 --> 00:34:04,589 against a small number of individuals. 726 00:34:04,613 --> 00:34:07,269 And since there is no more evidence that have come to light, 727 00:34:07,293 --> 00:34:09,613 I don't see any reason to reopen the investigation. 728 00:34:10,157 --> 00:34:12,589 That was the Deputy Commissioner John Yates, 729 00:34:12,613 --> 00:34:14,613 speaking in response to... 730 00:34:18,085 --> 00:34:19,285 What is it about? 731 00:34:20,051 --> 00:34:21,813 The police have not supported us, 732 00:34:22,113 --> 00:34:25,051 and Keir Starmer is carrying out a review. 733 00:34:25,076 --> 00:34:27,238 He was Director of the Attorney General's Office at that time. 734 00:34:27,263 --> 00:34:29,623 But consider that there was nothing inappropriate 735 00:34:29,648 --> 00:34:32,095 in the processes undertaken in this case. 736 00:34:32,228 --> 00:34:34,868 We are hitting a wall. 737 00:34:34,899 --> 00:34:38,589 We need to talk to your Mr. Apollo. We need him to make it public. 738 00:34:38,613 --> 00:34:39,629 He... 739 00:34:39,653 --> 00:34:42,102 He is the one who contacts me and not the other way around 740 00:34:42,127 --> 00:34:43,127 Nick. 741 00:34:45,167 --> 00:34:48,588 Our colleagues above They are very worried. 742 00:34:48,613 --> 00:34:50,589 Is it possible that you Have they set a trap? 743 00:34:50,613 --> 00:34:52,589 No, it's all true. I have... 744 00:34:52,613 --> 00:34:55,613 We have not named any sources, nor cited any document. 745 00:34:55,814 --> 00:34:58,011 We should never have published it. 746 00:34:58,588 --> 00:35:02,588 And Murdoch has set his attack dogs against us in Parliament. 747 00:35:02,613 --> 00:35:04,956 They are informing that we cannot support our history. 748 00:35:05,003 --> 00:35:07,370 And now the Select Committee of the House of Commons 749 00:35:07,445 --> 00:35:08,605 He wants to see us urgently. 750 00:35:09,613 --> 00:35:10,813 That doesn't sound very good. 751 00:35:11,422 --> 00:35:13,326 They want to roast you, Nick, 752 00:35:13,613 --> 00:35:15,613 and John Yates has given them the coal. 753 00:35:18,229 --> 00:35:19,585 I'm sorry, I... I... 754 00:35:20,613 --> 00:35:23,133 I have misread the runes here. 755 00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:26,589 The Guardian will make a statement. 756 00:35:26,613 --> 00:35:28,015 What kind of statement? 757 00:35:28,308 --> 00:35:29,734 I'll know when I see it. 758 00:35:30,613 --> 00:35:33,265 I feel like it's giving me a heart attack. 759 00:35:35,613 --> 00:35:37,453 What is happening here? 760 00:36:09,613 --> 00:36:11,589 My mother had a strong character. 761 00:36:11,613 --> 00:36:14,613 She was intelligent, determined, imaginative. 762 00:36:14,638 --> 00:36:18,559 She was trapped, as she thought, in the monotony of home. And she... 763 00:36:18,584 --> 00:36:20,716 He got angry easily. 764 00:36:20,847 --> 00:36:22,921 This was not ideal toxic from the 50s 765 00:36:22,945 --> 00:36:24,775 "He who loves his son punishes him." 766 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,757 This was physical violence. 767 00:36:26,813 --> 00:36:29,789 every time he came for us with blind fury, 768 00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:32,589 armed with anything that I had on hand... 769 00:36:32,613 --> 00:36:36,613 a dog leash, a slipper, a riding crop, a rope. 770 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:40,580 Are you ready to say you're sorry? 771 00:36:42,613 --> 00:36:43,613 No. 772 00:36:48,813 --> 00:36:52,340 I have worked as a journalist for a couple of decades, 773 00:36:52,365 --> 00:36:55,789 thinking that I was interested in criminal justice and social problems, 774 00:36:55,813 --> 00:36:58,589 when I realized that I was attracted to the stories, 775 00:36:58,613 --> 00:37:00,613 over and over again with the same topic. 776 00:37:01,813 --> 00:37:04,917 A deep-rooted impulse arose in me to hit him back... 777 00:37:05,613 --> 00:37:06,590 ...to anyone... 778 00:37:06,614 --> 00:37:07,847 Mr. Davies! 779 00:37:07,872 --> 00:37:10,487 That he had the power and abused it. 780 00:37:10,511 --> 00:37:11,871 Stupid boy! 781 00:37:26,322 --> 00:37:29,268 GARY - THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL TELL YOU IN THE COMMITTEE... 782 00:37:34,471 --> 00:37:36,870 WE KNOW THAT THE ARTICLE DOES NOT NAME ANY SOURCE 783 00:37:36,977 --> 00:37:38,941 IT DOES NOT QUOTE ANY DOCUMENT. 784 00:37:57,613 --> 00:37:59,613 That's right, I tried to hit him back. 785 00:37:59,925 --> 00:38:01,323 Because? 786 00:38:02,362 --> 00:38:04,234 My contained rage got the better of me. 787 00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:06,613 He looked vulnerable. 788 00:38:07,613 --> 00:38:08,613 Oh! 789 00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:11,613 It didn't work. 790 00:38:12,136 --> 00:38:13,217 No. 791 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,589 You look terrible. 792 00:38:16,613 --> 00:38:17,613 Thank you. 793 00:38:19,613 --> 00:38:20,590 What has happened to you? 794 00:38:20,614 --> 00:38:22,613 Are you asking me or him? 795 00:38:24,613 --> 00:38:28,284 Okay, I need to take them. to his mother's house tonight. 796 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,613 He says he agrees if you are too. 797 00:38:31,638 --> 00:38:33,098 Yes, of course, I have no problem. 798 00:38:42,613 --> 00:38:45,589 It has been a day of statements and counter statements 799 00:38:45,613 --> 00:38:47,145 in the matter of telephone hacking, 800 00:38:47,170 --> 00:38:49,330 with News International angrily refuting 801 00:38:49,613 --> 00:38:52,280 all accusations made by The Guardian. 802 00:38:52,613 --> 00:38:54,589 With the editor and the reporter 803 00:38:54,613 --> 00:38:56,589 who will appear before the Committee Selected Media, 804 00:38:56,613 --> 00:38:59,698 Some publications they point out a leftist agenda 805 00:38:59,723 --> 00:39:02,589 against the News Of The World by The Guardian 806 00:39:02,613 --> 00:39:05,629 and they ask that they be undertaken legal actions against that media 807 00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:07,589 if you don't turn back 808 00:39:07,613 --> 00:39:10,613 to spurious claims against Murdoch's newspaper. 809 00:39:17,183 --> 00:39:19,183 - Hello. - Hello. 810 00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:24,589 - See you, kids. - Hello, children. 811 00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:26,589 - Oh, wait... - I'm fine, mom. I'm fine. 812 00:39:26,613 --> 00:39:28,589 It's my fault. 813 00:39:28,613 --> 00:39:30,453 I'm sorry. I gave him bad advice. 814 00:39:31,613 --> 00:39:33,613 - Coffee? - I... 815 00:39:34,653 --> 00:39:37,429 Thanks for this. See you on Monday. I'm sorry. 816 00:39:37,453 --> 00:39:38,589 - Nick? - Yeah? 817 00:39:38,613 --> 00:39:39,653 Have you eaten? 818 00:39:39,678 --> 00:39:42,045 - When? - On the last day. 819 00:39:42,309 --> 00:39:44,668 I... I'm just a little tired. 820 00:39:44,692 --> 00:39:46,589 I'm not at my best. 821 00:39:46,613 --> 00:39:49,613 I need to think. And the... 822 00:39:50,613 --> 00:39:54,589 House Select Committee The Commons wants to see us tomorrow. 823 00:39:54,613 --> 00:39:56,589 And The Guardian has a message 824 00:39:56,613 --> 00:39:59,589 written by your public relations... which is simply... 825 00:39:59,613 --> 00:40:01,613 Alright. OK. 826 00:40:02,503 --> 00:40:04,589 You look worse than him. Let's... 827 00:40:04,613 --> 00:40:06,613 I didn't tell him to resist. 828 00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:09,524 I told him to choose his moment. I didn't want him to hit anyone. 829 00:40:09,613 --> 00:40:10,590 Shit. 830 00:40:10,614 --> 00:40:12,097 No problem. 831 00:40:13,613 --> 00:40:14,613 Come on. 832 00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:17,949 Sit down. Sit down. 833 00:40:17,973 --> 00:40:19,613 Is soup okay? 834 00:40:24,613 --> 00:40:26,589 What should I do? 835 00:40:26,613 --> 00:40:28,589 How can I do better? 836 00:40:28,613 --> 00:40:31,613 Well, we'll talk to the school. 837 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:33,941 Do you think they will do better? 838 00:40:34,074 --> 00:40:36,074 It's a good school. 839 00:40:37,613 --> 00:40:38,629 Things have changed. 840 00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:42,613 To teachers and parents, They are no longer allowed... 841 00:40:43,457 --> 00:40:45,457 There are systems, right? 842 00:40:47,613 --> 00:40:48,613 I thought of her. 843 00:40:49,988 --> 00:40:51,948 Earlier today, I was reading these... 844 00:40:53,524 --> 00:40:57,524 PR nonsense apologizing excessively, 845 00:40:57,604 --> 00:41:00,414 and I remembered all the times that I had gone to apologize. 846 00:41:00,439 --> 00:41:02,325 And all the times that I... 847 00:41:02,613 --> 00:41:05,100 and then my son He appears with his face in that state. 848 00:41:07,613 --> 00:41:08,613 OK. 849 00:41:10,613 --> 00:41:13,519 I'm going to prepare the couch for you. You stay here tonight. 850 00:41:14,613 --> 00:41:16,613 And I'll warm up your soup. 851 00:41:32,488 --> 00:41:36,978 ALAN R (WORK) - ARE YOU AWAKE? 852 00:41:40,804 --> 00:41:42,683 NO. 853 00:41:48,993 --> 00:41:49,794 Hello. 854 00:41:49,871 --> 00:41:51,071 I can't read that statement. 855 00:41:51,204 --> 00:41:53,204 A retraction at this time... 856 00:41:53,378 --> 00:41:55,589 You are asking me to say that I was wrong. 857 00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:58,949 If we cannot obtain a statement of Mr. Apollo, 858 00:41:58,973 --> 00:42:01,234 then we have to publish a retraction. 859 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:04,320 You know what to get a statement is impossible. 860 00:42:05,164 --> 00:42:07,589 So I'm afraid that you will have to make that statement 861 00:42:07,613 --> 00:42:09,109 to the Select Committee tomorrow. 862 00:42:09,133 --> 00:42:11,851 If you make me read it out loud, I won't go. 863 00:42:12,174 --> 00:42:13,613 If you don't go... 864 00:42:14,113 --> 00:42:16,113 we are screwed 865 00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:19,613 Oh! 866 00:42:47,613 --> 00:42:49,877 Carl Bernstein, one of the great reporters 867 00:42:49,902 --> 00:42:52,589 that uncovered the scandal of Watergate, he said, 868 00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:56,253 "I think that all good reporting It's the same. 869 00:42:56,308 --> 00:42:59,613 "The best possible version of the truth." 870 00:42:59,638 --> 00:43:03,191 The best possible version of the truth. 871 00:43:03,292 --> 00:43:06,541 The best possible... So, no matter what happens, you have... 872 00:43:06,972 --> 00:43:07,972 you have to... 873 00:43:27,613 --> 00:43:28,590 Good day. 874 00:43:28,614 --> 00:43:32,293 Hello. Is this printer-scanner still works? 875 00:43:33,271 --> 00:43:34,589 Yes, that one. Coffee? 876 00:43:34,613 --> 00:43:38,589 And do you have black paper and glue and scissors? 877 00:43:38,613 --> 00:43:40,589 Will you make me a collage, Nick? 878 00:43:40,613 --> 00:43:43,788 You may need the children arrive a little late for school. 879 00:43:44,144 --> 00:43:46,144 Yes, of course. Why? 880 00:43:47,613 --> 00:43:50,613 Okay, these are the emails. 881 00:43:50,638 --> 00:43:53,380 sent to a journalist, to that Neville guy, 882 00:43:53,613 --> 00:43:55,253 with the transcripts voice messages 883 00:43:55,331 --> 00:43:57,394 from a man named Gordon Taylor. 884 00:43:57,419 --> 00:43:59,589 I need you to cross out all the sections 885 00:43:59,613 --> 00:44:01,853 where they are clearly transcribed those voicemails. 886 00:44:01,884 --> 00:44:03,588 And leave everything else visible. 887 00:44:03,628 --> 00:44:05,992 But it must be seen which piece is which. If you have any questions, ask. 888 00:44:06,016 --> 00:44:08,589 May I ask, why aren't you doing this in the Guardian, 889 00:44:08,613 --> 00:44:09,949 with some professionalism? 890 00:44:09,973 --> 00:44:11,589 Alan can't know. 891 00:44:11,613 --> 00:44:13,613 Can't your editor know? 892 00:44:14,215 --> 00:44:16,429 So I don't tell anyone else. 893 00:44:16,453 --> 00:44:18,191 Of course, that man is a gossip. 894 00:44:18,216 --> 00:44:19,589 Fleet Street cannot know anything about this. 895 00:44:19,613 --> 00:44:22,374 If they found out, I'd be walking naked around that committee room. 896 00:44:22,398 --> 00:44:23,968 I'm just trying to protect my editor. 897 00:44:23,993 --> 00:44:24,993 And to my newspaper. 898 00:44:25,613 --> 00:44:26,613 And you? 899 00:44:28,293 --> 00:44:30,764 What kind of danger are you exposing yourself? 900 00:45:00,133 --> 00:45:01,293 Nick. 901 00:45:04,613 --> 00:45:05,789 How are you, Alan? 902 00:45:05,813 --> 00:45:08,589 I'm fine. A little tired. 903 00:45:08,613 --> 00:45:10,589 Something interrupted my sleep last night. 904 00:45:10,613 --> 00:45:12,293 I hate when that happens. 905 00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:15,613 I hate all this. 906 00:45:16,973 --> 00:45:19,133 I'm sorry if I've made your life difficult. 907 00:45:19,574 --> 00:45:20,973 My life? 908 00:45:21,324 --> 00:45:23,175 This is beyond me. 909 00:45:24,105 --> 00:45:25,589 you could have sunk 910 00:45:25,613 --> 00:45:27,800 to the entire Guardian newspaper with this. 911 00:45:28,276 --> 00:45:30,589 And what a way to sink it. 912 00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:31,949 I mean... 913 00:45:31,973 --> 00:45:34,429 consider the glory. 914 00:45:34,453 --> 00:45:36,429 "I, Nick Davies, 915 00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:40,122 I have completely destroyed 916 00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:44,120 about 200 years of journalistic effort". 917 00:45:44,613 --> 00:45:46,613 You are a complete... God! 918 00:45:48,453 --> 00:45:49,949 God, I can't even think what you are. 919 00:45:49,973 --> 00:45:51,613 You are horrible. 920 00:45:53,613 --> 00:45:57,589 Do you know what Peter Preston told me When did I take over the editorship? 921 00:45:57,613 --> 00:45:59,589 "Why the hell did they choose you?" 922 00:45:59,613 --> 00:46:02,589 "Don't join the club." 923 00:46:02,613 --> 00:46:04,589 I had to make adjustments to the newspaper 924 00:46:04,613 --> 00:46:07,589 after moving from Manchester, and he didn't... 925 00:46:07,613 --> 00:46:12,109 well, i didn't want to Be part of the media cabal. 926 00:46:12,133 --> 00:46:14,589 He liked to be on the edge of Fleet Street. 927 00:46:14,613 --> 00:46:17,613 I considered it part of our DNA. 928 00:46:18,613 --> 00:46:21,453 Last night in bed, I realized something. 929 00:46:22,042 --> 00:46:25,042 What you've done, bring us here, 930 00:46:25,613 --> 00:46:29,277 is in line with the greats journalistic blows from the Guardian. 931 00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:33,973 But I want to keep the newspaper alive that they have entrusted to me. 932 00:46:35,613 --> 00:46:37,448 Have you read the statement? 933 00:46:37,613 --> 00:46:38,613 No. 934 00:46:39,813 --> 00:46:41,813 But I have things to say. 935 00:46:44,813 --> 00:46:47,929 If you go too far, I will squeeze your leg, 936 00:46:48,113 --> 00:46:50,113 and you will stop. 937 00:46:50,613 --> 00:46:53,112 I have a newspaper to protect. 938 00:46:53,613 --> 00:46:57,613 And you, make sure you protect yourself. 939 00:46:58,613 --> 00:47:00,199 Put on your helmet. 940 00:47:00,613 --> 00:47:02,390 Thank you for joining us, gentlemen. 941 00:47:03,449 --> 00:47:07,814 We have several questions, so try Keep opening speeches brief. 942 00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:10,583 I would like this hearing to be quite brief, if possible. 943 00:47:11,613 --> 00:47:14,613 But I have... I have a lot to say. 944 00:47:18,613 --> 00:47:21,589 I would like to start by showing you, first of all, 945 00:47:21,613 --> 00:47:23,613 copies of an email. 946 00:47:26,973 --> 00:47:29,133 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com